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March 2010Re: March 2010 Risk Management Article - Compatibility Issues

Having read this article, I have a few questions and thoughts.  As a former EMT, I not only used the type of equipment the author mentioned in the article, but also preferred its usage.  However, I wasn’t regularly working in aquatic environments yet.  With years of aquatics training under my belt now, I can’t imagine going back to some of the other equipment.  Furthermore, I find some of the statements made to be anecdotal, and based on personal preference.

For example: The size of backboards and the possibility of having to transfer someone to a smaller one. In my experience I’ve never seen EMS transfer someone from a CJ board (which exceeds the dimensions noted) before being able to transport by ambulance.  Helicopters are an entirely different story, but how many times have you heard of one being called into a waterpark or community pool?  Furthermore, it’s not the aquatic managers who would call in the helicopter, but rescuers who have already arrived on scene.  While there would be additional risk of manipulation of the spinal column, they would be afforded plenty of time to change backboards before transport arrival.

Wooden backboards cannot be adequately disinfected and should not be considered for pre-hospital EMS use. This reminds me of the ongoing debate regarding plastic or wooden cutting boards. A simple walk through any home-improvement store will show you a wide variety of products that can be applied to wood, that (at least by the claim of the manufacturer) not only make the wood non-porous, they also make it possible to clean and disinfect the varnished surface effectively.  This is, of course, only possible if there isn’t significant scarring or cuts on the board surface. But unlike cutting boards, we don’t use knives on them either.

We’ve found an immobilization harness (spider strap) provides the most effective immobilization to prevent anterior, lateral and head-to-toe movement. And the use of these systems allows for rapid immobilization.
As a former EMT I do indeed agree with this — again though, on dry land.  In the water, and especially in an environment with moving water (wave pools, current channels, slide catch-pools) having straps that are anchored to the equipment makes it significantly easier to use, less likely to tangle, impossible to float away, and provides for a much quicker extrication of the individual. 

Again, by the wording of the article ("we’ve found") it appears the author is citing anecdotal experience. I don’t claim to have the experience of the author, but I too prefer to refer to the expertise of our local fire department.  They’re always willing to help train, attend in-services, and have been impressed by the speed, efficiency, and discipline of our staff in getting people out of the water, and administering care.  They’ve given us pointers, helped broaden the knowledge of our staff, but haven’t brought up any of the concerns from the author noted.  I encourage everyone to meet with their local fire department and make sure that they’re on the same page.  Between agencies, their equipment can vary somewhat as well, and the time to discover difficulties in providing immediate effective care is before the incident, not during.

— Cory Wynn, aquatic coordinator
City of Vancouver, Vancouver, Wash.

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October 2010Re: October 2010 Editor’s Column - VGB x 1,000

I could not have said it better... VGB continues to be a nightmare with several California counties. 

For the most part most Counties has their own version of how you apply for a permit.  They have:

1.Different forms; many of which do not ask the right or important information about the pool, pump or flow, number of main drains and do not approach skimmer applications, gutter or surge pit systems.

2. Some have no fees to many hundreds of dollars for "plan" review. One county in northern California requires $600 for just swapping out split main drains with no plumbing changes.

3. Some are calling for actual plans, even for just drain swaps.

4. Some have tried to tie in VGB into other code such as GFCI inspections

5. Approvals range from two days up to 6 weeks for even simple systems.

6. Many plan check reviews become complicated since evaluators don't understand how other pool systems such as surge pit/gutter pools work.  

7. After the work is done, more forms must be filled out (which often vary and are poorly layed out) for the workow required and must be certified by a Licensed Contractor even though maintenance and operation personnel can complete simple drain cover swap outs. Then even after all that, the work must be inspected. 

There are still questions, but let's face it, any pool with two main drains, each rated for full recirculation flow,  ASME/ANSI A112.19.8a listed, secured with Stainless Steel fasteners with hydraulically balanced plumbing and a skimmer(s) fitted with a proper equalizer cover, ASME/ANSI A112.19.8a listed is not only safe, but very safe.  In my opinion, the use of SVRS devices is great, but you cannot be safer than requiring the pool be fitted as described above.  It is pretty simple. The present "VGB law", like any other law, must still be applied with common sense.   

With regards to the new Model Aquatic Health Code. The word "code" is really scary.  We cannot get the counties of a single state to agree on many pool/spa health issues let alone a nation.  "Guidelines" are cool, but the word "code" is again just real scary.

It raises many legal questions.  Geographically, some systems (i.e. filters, chlorinators etc.) are far more popular in one area that another. In addition, the manufacturers of pool equipment, should certainly have representation and input, however, they should not be the entities that make the final decisions as there is a clear conflict of interest. Having a "Model Aquatic Health Standard or Guideline" along the lines of the old NSPI "Minimum Standards for Public Swimming Pools" is great:  Code?  No way!

— Rich Young
Aquatic Commercial


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May 2010Re: May 2010 Tech Talk Article - Pressure Situation
Unfortunately, several statements in that article are, in my opinion, either incorrect or highly misleading. I have structured my response by quoting Ron George’s paragraphs and then followed by my specific responses.

“They discovered low-pressure technology that was successful for drinking water did not work as effectively in pools. That led UV-lamp manufacturers to develop medium-pressure lamp (MP) technology. The recreational pool market for UV systems then quickly became successful.”

“Several significant factors in pool applications make LP lamp technology unsuitable for disinfection and the destruction of chloramines. They are as follows:

The wavelength emitted by LP lamps is narrow — 254 nm. This radiation is capable of destroying monochloramine, which would be effective if the water were being treated in its entirety in one single pass.”

“That is not the case. Therefore, trichloramine and dichloramine, which are far less healthy, are produced from the monochloramine still in the untreated water. Once the tri and di appear, LP cannot effectively destroy them because di and tri compounds absorb UV light at 297nm and 345nm, according to research from Purdue University.”


The statements in the above three paragraphs are either not true or highly misleading. In fact, according to the paper by Li and Blatchley (Ling, J; Blatchley III, E R, “UV photodegradation of inorganic chloramines”, Envir. Sci. Technol. 2009, 43(1), 60–65.), monochloramine and trichloramine have almost the same molar absorption coefficient (388 and 367 M–1 cm–1, respectively) at 254 nm. Only dichloramine has a lower value (142 M–1 cm–1). But the rate of degradation is proportional to the product of the fraction of UV light absorbed (related to the molar absorption coefficient and the concentration) and the quantum yield. The quantum yields for the photodegradation of mono- di- and trichloramine are 0.62, 1.80 and 1.85, respectively. Thus dichloramine will degrade at about the same rate as monochloramine and trichloramine will degrade about three times faster than monochloramine at 254 nm.

“The temperature of pool water is normally around 80 to 85 degrees; spas are in the 95 to 104 degree range. Low-pressure lamps have a relatively low surface temperature; therefore, the influence of water temperature is significant. The optimal water temperature for LP lamps is 68 degrees Fahrenheit (20 degrees Celsius). At temperatures above that, the UV output drops off significantly.”

This is not true — the optimal surface temperature for a low pressure UV lamp is 40 °C. Low pressure high output lamps operate at a surface temperature of about 100 °C.

“Medium-pressure lamps operate at a much higher temperature and can operate effectively in a much greater temperature range with no effect on the UV output, according to Dr. James Bolton of Bolton Photosciences Inc. in Edmonton Canada.”

This statement is true; however, medium pressure UV lamps have about half the germicidal efficiency as that of low pressure and low pressure high output lamps.

“Low-pressure lamps are vulnerable to photorepair when an organism is exposed to sunlight for a short period of time, approximately 30 to 180 minutes.”

“What does this mean? In swimming pools, the water passes through the UV chamber after filtration and returns to the pool during the turnover cycle. At this time, the DNA that was broken down by LP lamps can repair itself. We are, in effect, showing that we are “destroying” the parasite when it passes through the UV chamber; it is, however, reappearing in the pool water only to be reactivated again. This is a cycle that repeats itself.”

“However, studies have shown medium-pressure lamps break down the DNA and do not allow photorepair, according to a study published in the journal Applied and Environmental Microbiology by researchers J.L. Zimmer and R.M. Slawson.”


The evidence for the statements in the above three paragraphs is not clear in the literature. For example, Guo et al. (Guo, M; Hu, H; Bolton, J R; Gamal El-Din, M, “Comparison of low- and medium pressure ultraviolet lamps: Photoreactivation of Eschericia coli and total coliforms in secondary effluents of municipal wastewater treatment plants”, Water Res. 2009, 43, 815–812.) found no difference in photoreactivation between low- and medium pressure UV lamps for the same germicidal UV dose.

“Medium-pressure lamps break down organics, assisting in water clarity. Low-pressure lamps will not, according the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.”

This statement is highly misleading. What matters in photolysis reactions is the product of the fraction of UV light absorbed (related to the molar absorption coefficient and the concentration) at a given wavelength and the quantum yield at that wavelength. So a comparison between a low pressure and a medium pressure UV source requires extensive calculations. The answer may be one way or the other depending on the photolysis system.

“Low-pressure systems use multiple lamps to achieve enough intensity to treat the water. This creates several issues. Typically, several lamps are monitored by a single sensor to be able to verify the proper dose and intensity is being applied. One can only be sure that the flow nearest the closest lamp is effectively being disinfected. Second, if one of several lamps has failed, do you replace them all? How do you monitor the lamp hours? Do you number each one and keep a record of each?”

In drinking water UV reactors with multiple UV lamps, the system is ‘validated’ by biodosimetry. There is a requirement for periodic monitoring of the system to make sure that the quartz sleeves are not fouled. Also UV lamps must be replaced after a certain lifetime. Very large municipal UV drinking water systems have been installed (over 100 MGD) and there have been few if any problems in their operation.

“Multiple lamps with LP technology mean more maintenance issues. Most LP manufacturers do not provide automatic wiper systems to keep the quartz clean; they are simply not practical with multi-lamp LP systems. This then requires manual cleaning, which is very time-consuming. Again, when one or more lamps fail, do you replace them all?”

This is simply not true. There are hundreds or even thousands of UV systems in operation today that have multiple low pressure or low pressure high output lamps and do have effective automatic cleaning systems. Many have been in operation for years with very few, if any, problems.

“Research is an important tool in developing new products and testing existing products to meet the requirements of our industry. But it is important to review the results objectively rather than use those parts of the study to advance one’s interests.”

“For example, several manufacturers have cited a recent study on the “Impact of Chlorine and Monochloramine on Ultraviolet Light Disinfection,” from Duke University/University of North Carolina. They extract data from this study, trying to claim that LP technology is more effective than MP technology.”

“The problem with the extrapolation is that they fail to cite the conclusion arrived at or the conditions under which the study was conducted. The study involves dosing from 300 mJ/cm2 to 1500 mJ/cm2 to find out if UV will degrade chlorine and monochloramine. The UV dose range for chloramine destruction and disinfection is from 40mJ/cm2 to 60mJ/cm2 in swimming pools.”

“The study concluded: “Chlorine and monochloramine in water decay steadily when exposed to monochromatic (LP) and polychromatic (MP) UV light. However, total decay of chlorine and monochloramine are relatively small in the UV dose range that is generally applied for disinfection (15-130 mJ/cm2).”

“The assumption that MP lamps burn more chlorine than LP lamps and thus are not as effective is simply misguided.”


The statements in the above five paragraphs are confusing and misleading. One has to realize that any photolysis process will require a UV dose for 90% degradation that is 10 – 50 times that for 90% inactivation of bacteria or viruses. The reason is that for a photolysis process, the quantum yield is of the order of unity or less. However, in the inactivation of bacteria and viruses, there is a multiplication mechanism. Only about 100 thymine base pairs in a DNA chain of over 1 million bases need to be ‘dimerized’ to achieve total inactivation of the microorganism. Thus alteration of only about 0.01% of the bases leads to an inactivation (inability to replicate) or the microorganism. This is why the inactivation of microorganisms is so much more effective than direct photolysis processes.

— James R. Bolton, Ph.D., president
Bolton Photosciences Inc.
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada



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May 2010Re: May 2010 Tech Talk Article - Pressure Situation
As a physician with special interest in crypto and UV denaturization of crypto DNA, I was surprised to read certain out-of-context and incomplete comments in the article by Ron George, most especially the comments related to photorepair of crypto exposed to low pressure UV.

Certainly photo repair may occur with low intensity exposure — perhaps in the 10-15j range — it is unlikely after exposure emitted by commercially available units, whether low pressure or medium pressure, in the order of 4 to 6 times this intensity. I would like to see a qualified rebuttal to this comment by some other industry expert or academic contributor, as it is the essence of the growing UV story in the aquatic world.

As an aside, the narrow spectrum emitted by LP UV is a distant absorption wavelength than free chlorine and is less likely to destroy free chlorine than the wide spectrum of MP UV — again a matter of degree that was minimized by the author.

The article smacks of commercialism and half statements rather than an impartial review of the subject. I was also amused by the pairing of this article with a prominent ad by a manufacturer of low pressure units. Was that supposed to be a joke? If it was, it worked — I smiled.

— James A. Pantano, M.D.
Allentown, Pa.


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May 2010Re: May 2010 Tech Talk Article - Pressure Situation
The article by Ron George (Engineered Treatment Systems, LLC) appears to be a biased advertisement instead of an informative resource based on factual technology.

In the article, he essentially promotes his company’s (ETS) Medium-Pressure (MP) UV systems while discounting competing Low-Pressure (LP) UV systems. I believe George’s article is filled with biased opinions, accompanied by minimal technical fact, and, as a result, is a disservice to the commercial swim community.

Please allow me to explain.

I agree that UV, for aquatics, is a youthful segment that has grown exponentially in the past 5-10 years. But that is exactly why it is relevant to look at the more mature segments using this technology, such as the drinking water and waste water treatment industries, and benefit from their 30+ years of research, regulation, and hands on experience.

My rebuttal to the article concerns his blatant misrepresentation of LP technology. From a spectral output perspective, the four charts displayed demonstrate the distinct differences between LP and MP lamp technologies. These charts reveal the spectral output of both lamp technologies and how they relate to the spectral absorption of chloramines and free-chlorine. Charts A and B specifically reveal the spectral output of both technologies within the Germicidal Disinfection Curve. George fails to address critical MP performance characteristics that include: low conversion of input watts to UV-C output watts (causing high electricity consumption), excessive operating temperature, and free-chlorine absorption.  

Many of you are pool operators and know, as an accepted fact, that sunlight greatly increases free-chlorine absorption in your outdoor pools. If you look at the power distribution of the spectral output for MP systems, you will see that most of this lies within the visible light range, which is why many facilities actually increase their chlorine expenditure after installing a MP UV system. This may also explain why George downplays the role of free-chlorine consumption with the use of MP systems. This consumption rate is particularly exemplified in applications such as spray parks or spa applications where the turnover rate is typically from ½ hour to 45 minutes, which can add up to dozens of passes per day.

The comment, from the study in the article, regarding LP systems’ vulnerability to photorepair, was also misstated. This study showed photorepair for both MP and LP UV systems with low applied doses, between 5mJ/cm2 - 20mJ/cm2. George conveniently forgot to add the results from the study which state: “With well maintained UV reactors delivering appropriate UV doses of 40mj/cm2 or greater, followed by suitable chemical disinfection it is unlikely that opportunity for photorepair of E. Coli O157:H7 of significance to affect public health would arise following either low pressure or medium pressure UV irradiation.” It is for this very reason why 40mj/cm2 or greater is the universal standard for not only aquatics applications, but drinking water and waste water applications as well. I worked directly with the State of New York for the Seneca Lake State Park application on the specification and validation of the UV system that was installed there, which is a LP UV system. Given the high profile of the situation, anything less than the best protection for their park would have been unacceptable.

George attacks LP technology’s ability to destroy chloramines, which is a completely erroneous statement. The fact is, LP lamps, with their narrow spectral output, are quite effective at destroying mono-chloramines (see chart C). Our position regarding this topic is quite simple; destroying mono-chloramines does not allow for the creation of di and tri-chloramines. George touts his MP systems’ ability at destroying di and tri-chloramines, which is true. Unfortunately for the swim community, he fails to reveal that the same spectral output absorbed by di-chloramines is also absorbed by free-chlorine (chart D).

George goes on to attack LP technology’s operating efficiency based on temperature (68°F). Either he is unaware or intentionally failing to reveal that there are in fact three styles of LP UV lamps. And amalgam lamps, which offer the highest output, incidentally, are not sensitive to the temperatures associated with swim-spa applications. The facts state that LP UV systems, when compared to MP UV systems and when applied to recreational swim applications, operate more efficiently, cost significantly less, and deliver a far less cost of ownership. From an electrical consumption standpoint, LP lamps consume a fraction of electricity when compared to MP, hence providing a truly GREEN solution.

In regards to UV lamp history, George would like you to believe that MP lamps were developed for the swim market, but the facts show they were originally developed and designed for the drinking water and waste water treatment industries. Years later, UV lamp technology has advanced, as mentioned previously, to offer three styles of LP lamps, each with its own advantages (output vs. cost).

Twenty years ago LP “standard output” lamps were highly effective, but systems for many municipalities often required literally hundreds, sometimes thousands, of lamps. Back then, MP technology, while not as efficient (UV-C output & useful life) and cost effective from an electrical consumption perspective, did require fewer lamps. As you can imagine from an operational (labor) “cost” standpoint, facilities/municipalities took notice to the labor associated with changing out all of those lamps. But that was years ago.

If you do a Web search using “Medium-Pressure UV lamps,” your search will reveal the market in which many of these lamps are typically used…paint, ink and adhesive curing — and rightfully so, their broad spectral output is suited for these applications. Today, again as a result of advancements in LP technology, many facilities/municipalities are taking advantage of the efficient, cost saving amalgam UV lamp. Given that the average municipal UV system costs anywhere from hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions of dollars, and is the most regulated segment in the industry by the EPA, federal and local governments, you can bet that they perform efficacy tests and cost analysis from every angle. That being said, the technology used is overwhelmingly LP. I should know; I supply many of these facilities with LP amalgam lamps.

George does, however, offer up some valuable advice in his article when he recommends that buyers of UV systems request references from the pool operators themselves. One such LP UV system reference is Duane Moses who manages the Freedom Valley YMCA (Spring Valley Pennsylvania Branch). Moses painstakingly tracked his chlorine usage after the installation of three LP UV systems and was pleasantly surprised when he learned of an annual chlorine savings of $3,288. He was also as surprised to find that his chloramines dropped to “zero.” Moses’ dedication, regarding the tracking of his chlorine usage-expense and chloramines, should not go unnoticed and should serve as an example to other facility managers and operators. Testing and tracking water quality conditions and the associated expenses is very important.
   
Much has changed in the swim community over the past 20 years, especially attitudes towards chlorine. Twenty years ago, suppliers were hell-bent on selling as much chlorine as possible. But the public became disenchanted with skin/eye irritation and the EPA identified it as a carcinogen. Additionally, increased cryptosporidium outbreaks are occurring; intensifying the community’s awareness and interest in UV.

Within the past 5 years, the learning curve of UV has gone up considerably, yet only 5%-10% of the pools in the entire country incorporate UV into their facilities. Thanks in part to the findings of the CDC, we are aware that most crypto outbreaks have occurred in chlorinated pools, and that it can take chlorine up to 10 days to inactivate cryptosporidium, while a properly designed UV system, applied correctly will treat it instantaneously. This is a fact; yet the reason that UV is only used in such a small percentage of swim facilities, is that UV is viewed by many facility managers as a luxury and not a necessity (based on the capital cost and cost of ownership of predominantly MP UV systems.)

From a cost perspective, LP UV systems pose a serious threat to less efficient, more expensive MP systems and George (ETS) is well aware of this ... hence his article. Once the aquatic market matures as the other segments have, the debates and arguments regarding this technology will subside, and MP technology will lose its foothold in yet another market segment. For those of you that would like more information regarding lamp technology please visit: www.emperoraquatics-pool.com or contact me at 704.910.0827.

In conclusion, if you are interested in the truth, and are looking for unbiased information, seek out your aquatics professional and facility operator peers who are utilizing UV systems, but most importantly, also tracking the water quality, UV system cost of ownership, chloramine levels and chlorine usage. Call facilities that use both LP and MP technologies, compare their notes and then make your own decisions based on performance, initial capital costs, 3-5 year maintenance costs, as well as the operational costs including electricity consumption.

— Dan Dycha, national/international swim-fountain account manager
Emperor Aquatics Inc.
Pottstown, Pa.


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April 2010Re: April 2010 Tech Talk Article - Supplemental Coverage
This is a fantastic article! Although written by one of the leading manufacturers of ozone systems, Beth incorporated all the fundamental benefits of ozone systems. Ozone technology has improved immensely in the swimming pool industry and we include these as supplemental systems on the majority of our small bodies of water i.e. whirlpools and therapy pools. I anticipate the technology to continue improving and as ozone systems become more popular they can become a standard, feasible sanitation system for all swimming pools regardless of size.
— Andrew Lacelle, aquatics designer
Ohlson LaVoie Collaborative
Denver, Colo.

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November/December 2008Re: November/December 2008 Risk Management Article - When Lightning Strikes
I have been trying to get my local Sarasota YMCA director to stop the closing of our indoor pool nearly every summer afternoon. The lifeguards close it when thunder is heard anywhere.

In Florida, we get storms, often 15-20 miles away nearly every afternoon. Our members' use of the pool is curtailed. This is insane and I have linked to your good article from my own at: http://bigeye.com/indoorswimmingpools.htm

Thanks for the sanity.
— Stewart Ogilby
Sarasota, Fla.

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November/December 2008Re: November/December 2008 Risk Management Article - When Lightning Strikes
I recently read the article, “When Lightning Strikes” and have a few thoughts and additional questions for the writers and professionals referenced within the article:

1.) The article references the National Electric Code section 250.4(A)(1). The NEC is available for review online at the NFPA Website. I reviewed the NEC and could not find this section….code goes from 250.36 to 250.5. Can you verify that this code section is still in the current code and/or provide the exact quote of the section for readers information?

2.) You discuss grounding and bonding eliminating lightning risk in pools. However, the article states that plumbing and any water fixture use is still at risk for shock from lightning. Pools are connected to potable plumbing, normally through two different methods. One is an air gap, however some state agencies (such as MN) are allowing the use of RPZ’s instead of air gaps. In these instances, the fill line is directly connected to the pump recirculation pressure line. (This connection is normally made prior to the filter to allow for filtering and treatment of fill water). This type of connection, essentially connects the building plumbing directly to the pool water. In the other scenario where an air gap is present, what if the autofill was on at the exact moment of the lightning strike, so there was continuous water flow from the plumbing, through the autoflow, into the pool. Can the lightning chase through the water in both of these scenarios? Since the first scenario involves connection to PVC pipe, which is non-conductive, the lightning would need to chase through the water in the pipes into the pool. In the second scenario, the lightning would need to follow the naturally flowing water from the outflow into the pool or surgetank, etc.

I think this is a great informative article on an issue that is rarely discussed or analyzed appreciate the opportunity to comment.
— Nick Nowacki, PE, LEED AP
USAquatics Inc.
Delano, Minn.
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